In this excerpt from Episode 205 ("The Soong Dynasty") of the United States of Amnesia podcast series "Tea, Drugs, and Jesus" — which explores how the United States has never really understood China — Marshall explains how Nationalist Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek, later viewed in the United States as a great leader in a struggle against global communism, actually collaborated with the Soviet Union and the Chinese Communists in his early days — in ways his American supporters in the 1950s abhorred in the fellow Americans.

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